i read never talking to my sister-in-law who was a big fan of the clinton-gore team, and it was great to vote for them because you felt the young people had arrived, and this moment has that kind of -- oh, would it not be great if the president were in sync with popular culture, and i think particularly for a younger audience, the idea that he did this was very glamorous. >> recently, we did a series on all the first ladies of the united states, and we had an artist to a portrait, and you see it on your screen. there in the portrait is, obviously, mrs. obama, nancy reagan, jackie kennedy, and martha washington. what do you think? glamour? is there glamour? what well, of those four, the only one i would call glamorous is jackie kennedy. the other ones have other things going for them. one of the things that is interesting about the obamas, particularly in 2008, was that he was the one who was glamorous. mrs. obama, and i have had this conversation with many people, mrs. obama is very stylish, but her appeal is that she is an extraordinary version of an ordinary person, so she is, like,